Animating?

  • #10, by anna-arnoldFriday, 27. January 2017, 15:14 5 years ago
    Hast du schon mal AnimeStudio (jetzt MOHO) probiert?
    Wenn's an mich ging; ich hab alles 2-Dimensionale durchprobiert roll Aber ohne Bitmapfunktion komm ich nicht klar.

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  • #11, by F_KalFriday, 17. February 2017, 09:49 4 years ago
    Don't forget OpenToonz that came out only recently and is free (and open source)!
    A bit too strange for my taste (I'm used to timelines like Flash/MOHO), but hey, it's what studio Ghibli uses; so this at least shows what it can do!

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  • #12, by esmeraldaFriday, 17. February 2017, 11:13 4 years ago
    There is also DragonBones which I am using at the moment. It has a very handy function that can convert pngs (or bitmaps...) to meshes, so you don't have to cut your character into too many pieces. And it's free.

    I didn't know OpenToonz, but will look at it - downloading now...

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  • #13, by F_KalFriday, 17. February 2017, 14:35 4 years ago
    Hah! thanks Esmeralda! I didn't know DragonBones! I have Spriter Pro and have used Spine; Spine was very polished and a joy to work with but the pricetag? ouch... Spriter is very affordable and feature packed, but not very... pleasant. 
    DragonBones looks promising! I'm downloading it as we speak too :-)

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  • #14, by MachtnixFriday, 17. February 2017, 17:34 4 years ago
    Danke für die vielen Programmbeispiele. Als ich von OpenToomz das erste Mal hörte, war es noch nicht herunterzuladen. Jetzt probiere ich es mal aus. Abschrecken tut mich natürlich die Tatsache, dass die Handbücher in Japanisch sind... ich hoffe, die Programmoberfläche ist immerhin auf Englisch????

    Ich benutze 3D-Programme zum Animieren und Rendern, aber das ist zwar praktisch für die Charaktere (wenn Rig und Mesh erstmal stehen, kann man alles schnell damit machen), aber umfangreich für die Szenen. Denn ich muss ja ALLES modellieren, damit der Stil gleich ist. Da wäre Zeichnen insgesamt schneller.

    In Cinema gibt es "Sketch und Toon", aber damit kann ich zwar den Grafikstil verändern - die Objekte usw. muss ich ja trotzdem basteln. Gezeichnete Objekte und Sketch-Objekte sehen IMMER unterschiedlich aus...

    Das würde bei mir den größten Zeitanteil ausmachen. Die vorkommenden Loops zu animieren sind dann nur 40% der Zeit. Szenen modellieren: 60%. Und später das Spiel auf Fehler testen: nochmal 100%... wink

    Deshalb suche ich was für 2 D. Ansonsten würde ich es mit Stift und Papier machen und anschließend scannen...

    Machtnix

    edit:
    Google-Übersetzung:

    Thanks for the many program examples. When I first heard of OpenToomz, it was not yet downloadable. Now I try it out. Quitting me, of course, the fact that the manuals are in Japanese ... I hope the program interface is after all in English ????

    I use 3D programs for animating and rendering, but this is handy for the characters (if rig and mesh are first, you can do everything quickly), but extensively for the scenes. Because I have to model EVERYTHING so that the style is the same. Since drawing would be faster overall.

    In Cinema there is "Sketch and Toon", but with it I can change the graphics style - the objects, etc. I still have to tinker. Drawing objects and sketch objects ALWAYS look different...

    That would be the most time for me. The animated loops are then only 40% of the time. Scenes modeling: 60%. And later the game to test errors: again 100% ... wink

    So I'm looking for something for 2 D. Otherwise I would do it with pen and paper and then scan ...

    Ganz ehrlich? Das klingt für mich noch furchtbarer, als wenn ich es übersetzt hätte *lol* Und ich habe keine Ahnung, ob es auch stimmt und ob die Bedeutung 1:1 rüberkommt.

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  • #15, by anna-arnoldSaturday, 18. February 2017, 08:06 4 years ago
    Edit: Oh, we started with Englisch Language! :o 
    I didn't read everything, but I would like to take part in this discussion again; I think for this topic there is never enough said. wink 

    I'll try Spine for our purposes; my Background-Artist is creating that detailed backgrounds, my figures are unpleasant in comparison. (Just click somewhere in the middle of the video. Look at the main character; even if I would correct the lineart and would add shadow, the contrast between the styles is too heavy...)
    https://youtu.be/SV4snsguMJE?t=6m39s

    I hope that I can add more graphic-detail to my characters when I'm going to animate with spine than I could with classic animation... I always thought this kind of animation would always look odd, but then I saw this video :O :O :O
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUz99ek5do

    Stop watching her bouncing Boobs! ;D

    I mean, this was a detailed picture, and in the end it even has a 3D-feeling! Sure, as beginners we should not expect such results, but this kind of animation has more potential than I ever thought.
    But the 3D-Effect is only possible with the Pro-Version.

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  • #16, by ArtNovaSaturday, 18. February 2017, 08:16 4 years ago
    This 3d effect is achieved by mesh deformation. Only available in pro version, https://en.esotericsoftware.com/spine-purchase

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  • #17, by anna-arnoldSaturday, 18. February 2017, 08:25 4 years ago
    This 3d effect is achieved by mesh deformation. Only available in pro version, https://en.esotericsoftware.com/spine-purchase

    Yes I know, but overall the animation looks more pleasant than I ever expected of Character Rigged Animations. 

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  • #18, by ArtNovaSaturday, 18. February 2017, 08:32 4 years ago
    Thanks for english translation smile
    I like your WIP videos btw, nice animation, I can only dream of such level smile)
    There was music in one of your videos - every time I watch it, it loops a couple days after in my head. Pretty motivational, though.

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  • #19, by anna-arnoldSaturday, 18. February 2017, 08:57 4 years ago
    Oh thank you for the kind words; I'm very honored. smile

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  • #20, by MachtnixSaturday, 18. February 2017, 12:09 4 years ago
    Edit: Oh, we started with Englisch Language! :o
    Stimmt schon. Aber jeder deutsche Beitrag wandert auch immer unweigerlich ins Englische ab - warum nicht mal umgekehrt? smile

    Toonz starts, but I don't know how I can work with it. I need a manual. Mäh...

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